Friday, January 28, 2005

Re: The Continuing Acts of the Apostles?

Note: Please open the original post (in a new tab, if you've got 'em)0 here. I promise you it's worth the read, and, as this post started out as just a comment on that blog, I'm assuming you've read that post.

Thank you, Sazzly, for calling my attention to the article.


First of all, I’m not charismatic, but I also don’t think I’m a cessationists. I do believe that in Heb 6:5, “the powers of the age to come” refers to spectacular miraculous signs performed at the establishment of the Church in order to show that it was a work of God. I do not believe such signs have “ceased1,” though they occur more often on the frontiers of the gospel, where there is no pre-existing testimony of the Church. Those powers are not of this “age,” but are of one to come, i.e., Christ’s physical reign on the earth, where disease, hunger, poverty, [insert your favorite effect of sin here], etc. will be done away with. That said, the Christian walk is rife with daily miracles and works of the spirit.

Second, I will first (er--wait... Bah! Whatever...) address a couple of the other comments:

Anonymous #1: Peter’s The Kingdom's “keys” were not given to any of the other apostles (note the use of the singular “thee” in less-modern (but more precise) translations, even though the other disciples are present), and so this discussion is not of apostleship, but rather, authority that pertains to (as we see in the exercise of this authority in the book of Acts) opening the door of the gospel to new groups of people. The Reformation's rejection of popery2 was a rejection of the idea that this was transferable to a successor, and its motto “Sola Scriptura” would indicate that the Word of God, not the teachings of men, even though taught in His name, is the standard by which we measure everything else (“for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name” –Ps 138:2).

Windblown3: I think your reduction of cessationism to simple deism is rather harsh, and not at all true. The purpose of the gifts is “for the perfecting of the saints; with a view to the work of the ministry, with a view to the edifying of the body of Christ; until we all arrive at the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, at the full-grown man, at the measure of the stature of the fulness of the Christ.” (Eph 4:12-13) Most Christians who you lump into the category of “cessationalists” simply object to the Spirit-on-demand, spectacular showyness, emotion-driven worship (rather than vice-versa), contra-scriptural revelations, etc. that seem to characterize charismatics.

Finally... *Ahem*

What is the purpose of this discussion? What I mean is, suppose we had a fool-proof Boolean test that could be applied to a person to answer the question, “is this person an apostle?” What then? Until we define ‘apostle,’ or more specifically, the roles of an apostle, I don’t believe we’ll get very far in terms of identifying who is and who isn’t, and whether or not they're still around.

“Apostle” just means “one who is sent” in Greek. To my knowledge it is not uniquely Christian, however, it seems to have special meaning(s) within the context of Christianity. The most obvious is that there is a special twelve-member group of apostles, which was already discussed in the original post, seems to be the same group mentioned in Rev 21:14, and Mat 19:28. Judas was replaced not because he died, but because he betrayed Jesus (Acts 1:16-20), so the notion that at any point in history there are or should be exactly twelve living apostles belonging to this group is false.

Beyond the twelve, there are also others who are called ‘apostles’ by Scripture and who are indeed sent by God. But is that it? Or is there another dimension to those (or perhaps some of those) who are called apostles in scripture?

As far as I can tell, the only reason we might ascribe such an especially high status to apostleship is that Paul was an apostle, and many of his letters to churches and individuals are in the canon of Scripture. But does this necessarily mean anything to our definition of an apostle, or is it something unique to the particular role Paul was called (as an apostle) to play? Were John Mark, Luke, James, and Jude necessarily apostles, since they all wrote Scripture? I think this group is better defined by the term ‘prophets,’ or better yet “holy men of God” (2 Pet 1:20). Must an apostle be one who has a special revelation from God? Could Paul’s assertion of apostleship (“Am I not an apostle?” -1 Cor 9:1) be merely taken as, “Was I not sent to you by God?” and stand parallel to his freedom as a Christian, his special commission from Jesus, his role in bringing the gospel to the Corinthians. Verse 2 could then be paraphrased, “Even if I wasn’t sent by God to anyone else, you can’t deny that it was He who sent me to you.” Therefore the Corinthians were to heed what Paul said, just as the Ninevites to Jonah, or Israel to their Messiah (Deut 18:15).

What special deference should we grant to one whom we recognize as an apostle?

Are apostles infallible? No, as was pointed out, Peter (Gal 2:11-13) was in the wrong, and led others astray by his wrongdoing.

Do they alleviate our need to be taught by the Spirit through Scripture? Certainly not! The Bereans were commended for confirming what was taught to them by comparing the Apostles’ teaching to the Scriptures. (See also: Ps 138:2)

So what is it exactly that an apostle does that differs from, say, an elder?

One difference I see is that an elder is appointed within the context of a local church, that is, if Mr. X is an elder at his home church, he is not an elder when he visits another church. This is not the case with spiritual gifts, which are given to the whole Church. Therefore an evangelist is an evangelist no matter what context he is in, as a pastor4 is to shepherd God's people everywhere he finds them, an apostle is in every situation an apostle, etc. (Eph 4:11-13). It is certainly possible—and indeed quite likely—that an elder also have spiritual gift(s) and exercise them as a compliment to his elder-role.

Another role I see as apostolic is in the establishment of leadership in a new church, i.e., the appointment of elders and deacons in new churches. That is, perhaps an apostle is one who looks after churches in a similar way that shepherds (“pastors”) look after individual Christians.

If this is true, then I tend to agree with what Diane said, that “Most missionaries are evangelists, a few are apostles” and I would add that apostleship seems to be most active in arenas with emerging churches (the “mission field”) where new churches full of new believers need guidance and accountability that cannot yet be found from within.

This post is merely the product of an evening of thought and I welcome and encourage any input and further ponderings on the subject.



0 Yay for Firefox!
1 As in "cessationists"
2 Sadly, in contrast, the Reformation's rejection of potpourri has fallen by the wayside to most of modern Christendom.
3 Good to know he can laugh at himself. (Eph 4:14)
4 In contemporary American culture, "pastor" often means one of the leaders of a church (or the *shudder* only */shudder* one). This can be confusing, because technically he should be called an elder (or in some cases a teacher).

Thursday, January 27, 2005

More Internet Quizzes

Sorry, readers. I wasn't going to post these, because I just did an Internet quiz post, but when I took them, they fit so perfectly with this blog, that I couldn't resist. I promise I'll have a real post sometime soon.

You're Spain!
You like rain on the plain, as well as interesting architecture and a diverse number of races and religions. You like to explore a lot, but sailing, especially in large groups, never really seems to work out for you. Beware of pirates and dictators bearing bombs. And for heavens' sake, stop running around bulls! It's just not safe! Take the Country Quiz at the Blue Pyramid


You're California!
In many ways, you are larger than life and almost defy description. You certainly love to shake, rattle, and roll with the best of them. You have a generally sunny disposition, but are capable of resorting to harsh extremes when pressed. You are more likely than most to become rich, or famous, or perhaps both. While you have the golden touch in so many regards, your respect for actors is a little over-zealous. This endless faith in actors needs to be terminated. Take the State Quiz at the Blue Pyramid.

Música

Anteayer, sacó mis discos compactos de MP3 de mi coche para poder ver cuales discos ya tengo quemado en los, y quemar otros, que tienen mi música más nueva. Entonces, por estos dos días, cuando estaba manejando, escuché la radio. Cuando vivía en el área de Los Angeles, yo tenía que usar todos los botones de mi estéreo, incluyendo los de FM1, FM2, y FM3 para contener todas las estaciones que me gustaba escuchar. Pero aquí en Seattle, no hay tantas estaciones. De los pocos que tocan música que me gusta, la mayoría tienen DJs aburridos o quesosos1. Hay poco para escuchar en éste ciudad. Tengo tres razones de escribir en español aquí:
  • Vi fotos de Anna con quien me gusta hablar en español.
  • Cuando devolví mis discos a mi coche, puse mi disco de música latina en el tocadiscos, y lo escuché cuando manejé.
  • ¡No hay estaciones que tocan música en español en este pueblo desolado de Dios!
Gracias a David ("El Programador") por hacer su programa que hace fácil la puntuación español.

1 Esto en realidad no es una palabra, pero mi hermanita y yo la usamos en español para querer decir 'cheesy.'

Friday, January 21, 2005

Weird Nerd Loser Die!

Here are some quizzes I took. I'm looking forward to their upcoming "Nerd Type" quiz, as well as what appears to be a Meyers-Briggs temperament sorter, though in the latter case this has more to do with the proliferation of "all the ISPQFCs."0
What is your weird quotient? Click to find out!I am nerdier than 80% of all people. Are you nerdier? Click here to find out!
I am 82% loser. What about you? Click here to find out!I am going to die at 78. When are you? Click here to find out!
I'm more weird than Krud, if you can imagine that.

Since someone asked (and for a while I appeard to be begging), yes, it is possible to post comment without an account1. You click on the "# comments" link at the bottom (if this is the main page), then on "Post a comment." If you don't have an account, post as Anonymous (some people chose to sign their names at the bottom of their comments).

I am pleased to report that Steph is slowly caving in to the pressure, so keep it up, all of you.

I'm planning on flying to eastern Canada at the end of next month, eh? Well, not flying there, but flying near there and then driving the rest of the way3.

0 I'm pretty sure this doesn't stand for 'Internet Service Provider - Quality Food Centers'.

1 The lack of this feature is why I don't like Xanga. How will he ever find out that in Firefox, Netscape 4, Netscape 7, and Opera, his page has no right margin (but it does in MSIE) if I can't tell him?

2 Hey, look at that! A footnote that isn't referenced anywhere.

3 I think the airports are all frozen over. That, or the control towers melted.

Wednesday, January 19, 2005

*sigh* Shameless... */sigh*1

That last post was intended to distract from my insecurities about the previous two posts. The first one of which, I was rather distressed about becuase it failed to elicit any immediate reader response, and the first thing I always want to do with my moments of clarification is share them with other people, both in order to get outside points of view, and to spread it around and get more people thinking about it. In my next post, I essayed the reasons for such a dearth, among those stated or alluded to:

  • Apathy - people read it, but didn't care enough to make a comment
  • Boredom - people started reading it, but got bored and chose to do something else
  • Finger Paralysis - an inability to type due to lack of digital control
  • Two broken wrists - I only know one person who's done this recently enough for it to be a semi-valid excuse
  • No one actually reads my blog - so who is there to post comments?
  • Inability to understand - no one wants to betray their ignorance or lack of expertise
  • The post was incoherent - this guy is all over the place; I can't make heads or tails of what he says
  • Too many footnotes - scroll wheel fatigue (index figer? eyes?)2
  • I'm intimidating - and anything you say will be flatly refuted in no uncertain terms because I am mean!
  • Nothing to say - I said it perfectly, why should there be any need for comments?
  • Too abstract - High on the stack, and therefore not interesting to practical people
Having thus explored all these reasons, after sleeping, I re-read my post, and for someone who doesn't know me very well, I could readily see how this post would sound mean-spirited and condescending, as if I believed I had been somehow wronged by the reader's stupidity and wanted get even with them.

I was really making fun of my own knee-jerk reactions, for the most part. It's a way of laughing at myself. A sort of argument from absurdity, in which I assume something rediculous ("It's not me...") and come up with a bunch of bizzare conclusions based upon it ("...so it must be everyone else."). The key to "getting it" is in this case realizing what's going on. I present you with two possible conclusions: (1) this guy is nuts, (2) this guy is joking. If you don't know me, you might just come to the wrong conclusion.

Anyway, so then I went and posted that picture of The Stephanator, taken by Caleb (of Mr. TLIC), subconciously hoping it would all blow over and no one would notice or ever mention Calvinism again. I hate doing that (but hey, it worked, right?), so I'm laying all my cards on the table in hopes that I can still get some feedback on the Calvinism thing, people still understand (indeed now I think they have too much information) what's going on in my head, and no one thinks I'm mean and runs away.

Incidentally, here's the photo out of which that last post was taken, although Hello shrinks it a bit (The evil eyes in the last post are full res, however):
 

1I am intentionally trying to start a trend in blogging and general Internet use. Astrix Markup LanguageTM--okay not really. How about we make it an open source standard convention (or, say, "*ML") has been used for eons (in Internet time) to communicate what someone is doing: *sigh*, *cough*, *backing away from computer*, *puts on tin foil hat*, *smiles nervously*, *twiddles thumbs*, etc. What I have been doing is extending this by allowing for the expression to span something else, in the same way that simple markup languages for printer output evolved, developing many of the tags that we still use today in HTML.
2 A trick I learned for keeping my place is to select (click and drag over) a few words near the note so I don't have any trouble finding my place after I read the note.